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Recently, April 2007 in fact, I re-visited the Ex-Christian.net web site after a long absence. Being an ex christian myself, I wanted to see how much we had in common and in particular whether there might be something useful to be gained because I wanted to add something along the same lines on my web site. In fact I briefly had an "Ex christian" category and a "Bible" category but I changed the "Ex christian" one into my "The R. Souls" category (because the christians, not the ex christians, are the retarded or R. souls, lest there be a doubt). So I loitered or as they say in 'newsgroups', lurked, and as I tried to find my way around I noticed a posting about the 9/11 atrocity and that prompted me to make my own posting.... and that produced responses from others... and I replied to some of those and that got reactions... and so I posted a response... and so it goes.... (The R. Souls category is now my Religion category and I have deleted some ex-christian articles having realized we have less in common than I thought/hoped)
I have to say though, that whenever I drop by and take a peek into a system that seems like a newsgroup or usergroup or a forum, that I end up backing away and concluding that there is not much useful purpose in me being there. I emphasize that this is my own personal conclusion and when it comes to the short term value I have often noted that people post their problem, get a good response and then report that they have gained positively and are thankful to the forum posters. So I very much do recognize that huge value that they have and the important positive contribution to society that they make.
But for me, just about always, I have dealt with my own problems, leaving christianity for example, without recourse to others and in what I focus on now, my web site and blog, I have my own strong, definite, fixed and polarized ideas. Anyone with strong independent ideas needs to be aware that whenever you enter into a foray or forum that it is bound to cause polarized and extreme reactions. Now I am all for debate and the expression of opposing views but only if something positive results, or, not even that really but, for example, if it just happened to be very funny and amusing, so I am not too demanding of them.
But one thing I don't like in life is a particular mindset, mentality, attitude or whatever you want to call it, whereby the main feature seems to be the tit for tat hostile interchange that is not even amusing, not useful in any real sense and not worth spending any time reading. The structure of this kind of system, forums, or I guess, fora might be the right plural, is such that these interchanges of insults just clog up the postings so that it is quite difficult to wade through them, too difficult to make it worthwhile. When I do a search on the internet for information and the results include forum postings pages I now tend to spend about five seconds and close the page simply because even if the right and ideal answer is there for me I know I will have to wade through lots of other stuff to find it and it is a lot easier to go back to the results and try the next.
If others do the same and they look for missile and pentagon and even plume and they stumble upon a forum posting then chances are that the initial posting itself won't have what the searcher is looking for and nor will any of the followup postings so even by wading through the forums postings it usually ends up as a wild goose chase. Maybe that's why you don't hear of them any more, wild goose chases, that is.
What tends to happen is that forum postings degenerate into a free for all argument that tends to lose the point. Mind you, even then I have seen instances when that can be interesting and even educative or amusing, but as far as the prime case, so to speak, the initially posited idea, that nearly always gets clouted and taken to pieces along with it's poster, maybe not by everyone but it is the common feature that I keep seeing in forums.
That is, if you like, a kind of introduction to my approach to forums and I bring it up because I wanted to explain what gave birth to this article and to set the background for it, so that it makes more sense, and having done that I would now like to stick with the answer that I will post on the ex christian web forum.
One of the problems we all have in all of this particular ex christian forum posting discussion, "Was it a plane or a missile?", is personality types. The question of what is the truth doesn't really seem to be very important so far as I can see. If it was then the abundant and easy to find evidence would be talked about objectively instead of not being mentioned or wanted. I posted here to tell you what I discovered, not to convince anyone of my new belief or at least not to devote much time arguing it's case.
I mention this because I posted to the ex christian.net forum a week or two ago saying that I believed that the Pentagon was hit by a missile and not a plane. I have not read a response that indicates to me that anyone there is willing to consider the idea seriously which is all I really wanted to encourage people to do. The evidence is there, I say, so just spend a little time considering it seriously. That's what I urge you to do. An hour or two of your time should be enough to make you realize that something very fishy is going on.
The missile thing, for me, is just an important part of a much larger thing. As I said before in an earlier post, just think what it must surely mean if it was actually the impossible (figuratively speaking), a missile, (manufactured, bought, maintained, stored, and ... launched by Americans, in America, upon the centre of the American military, against fellow Americans. Apart from all the lies and sheer evil scheming, it also means that the rest of 9/11 was not an atrocity committed by foreigners of any description and more especially it was not carried out by any (non-American) terrorists and then you begin to grasp that all the war or so-called war actions, criminal atrocities really, have no actual, no genuine, basis other than a secret one - the same secret agenda that called for a missile strike upon the Pentagon.
For ex-christians to be more inclined to trust the word of the government - when, actually, trusting government is never a wise thing to do, is remarkable. Government is supposed to exist FOR the people and definitely NOT the other way around. The only safe way for it to be treated is as if it would, if it could, seize more power and more and more power because it ultimately will if it can.
In fact they have done it via the backdoor. They have done it by funnelling money into the police and into the military and into secret and other quasi government organisations and departments.
Distrusting government is a duty for each thinking adult. It is only in the past couple of months that I understood this basic principle. It is not a case of being distrustful or cynical by nature but simply of realizing that governments tend, tend, to always take more power for themselves. In distrusting governments and speaking out when he or she spots things that are wrong other people are alerted and the people retain controlling power. But if he and she stays silent and tacitly trusting and the government shows signs of wrongly exercising power then watch out. That is exactly how it is now.
Governments and the things that they feed and finance, military and innumerable 'departments' always tend to take more money and in so doing take on more power and in so doing make these other parts of the system, especially police and military, more powerful and that is exactly how it now is and the tipping point has passed too and we are now in a situation where the governments are more or less puppet governments in effect and in charge and in control is this new hidden government that, so far as I can see, is really a faction of the military in the USA and in the UK it is the secret services rather than the military exactly and I say that because of my observations relating to 7/7, London's 9/11 so to speak. People, myself included, have made the ultimate mistake: trusting government and let me emphasize this: assuming governments do the right thing is exactly the same as trusting the government.
I am not from the USA so I can be excused. I am from the UK and I have observations that are pertinent to this but too much of a digression for this article so I will just say that people generally don't oppose the police being given more power and more money because they want, always more security, more safety, but it just doesn't and definitely hasn't worked, not in the UK and not in the USA. Instead it has fed a monster and turned a baby monster into a fully fledged one that is now stretching it's wings and dropping it's bombs.
You all, like me, ex christian, have realized just how deceitful and dishonest real christianity is. How can any of you want to talk about trusting the word of Governments when "religions" can't even be trusted!
But, to be fair to the president, the missile strike must, it seems to me, mean that it was the result of a "I'm not bluffing" ultimatum that would have been issued to him sometime beforehand. There would have been a "Do as we say or else" moment in this and the missile attack was the "or else" part actually happening to prove that "we are not bluffing" in order to force the president to acquiesce to this military faction's wishes. And so the president would have had no real choice but to back down, accede and cooperate with this new anonymous group which is, therefore, in effect, to all intents and purposes, the new government.
It means that the government with the president at it's head is no longer the governent, at least when it comes to anything of a military type of action including, I would say from the other evidence, much of what we would normally think of as police action, but is all now under the control and wishes of the group that launched the missile. They, by the way, and you can take bets on this, now have the full arsenal of weapons including nuclear missiles and so on complete with the various security codes and so on in their hands, effectively if not necessarily literally. So the rationality for all the war type actions since 9/11 has been just a plausible cover to delay or stop the public from seeing what is really happening.
So, to argue that all is well when the evidence is clear that all is far from well is foolish. The missile vs plane argument is not one that can simply be assumed to be rightfully defaulted to the plane version because the enormity of what it means if it was a missile means that we should, each one of us as right-minded adults, give the benefit of the doubt to those who say it was a missile and then let, or rather, make government prove it was not a missile. After all, if it was a plane then let them, force them, to answer simple questions and provide the evidence that leaves no doubt in any suspicious person's mind that it was a plane. The obligation is not upon the missile believers to prove their case but upon the government to prove it was a plane. Remember, government is always supposed to be for the people, not the other way around. Government must be held accountable. Government must always be pressurized to give full explanations and people should never accept dubious ones.
That is an important point to grasp and for me to make here because part of the debate, here, has been about who should have the benefit of the doubt (as if there is really any doubt) in this. The stakes are what count. If you are happy to take the risk of what it means if it was a missile then shut your eyes to the evidence and to the people like me who are saying it was a missile and keep on believing that it was a plane.
But if you are not happy to take tht risk then just assume for the time being that it was a missile and pressurize the government to prove that it was not.
Some posters at Ex christian have said: "Prove it was a missile, until then I believe it was a plane." Okay, then also accept the risks and the high stakes that I have explained and accept that you are doing the opposite of what each thinking American adult should be doing, namely, demanding that their government answers basic questions and if it won't answer them then begin to make it answerable.
You may say, "Well, so what. It's only the ignorant peasants in the Middle East getting put back into the stone age" Well, I will say it is really christians who are doing all of this. It is christians who are not objecting, not wanting to know, not wanting to think about it. It is christians that make up this military faction, this new goverment. And it is a form of christian crusade and just like before it is unholy. It is people who have grown up in the USA who make up this new military government. They do not have any sense of morality. They do not see anything wrong in what they are doing. That has always been the pattern of christianity throughout the ages. As it happens I do not hold any greater respect for the Koran, the Bible or the Torah but it is the bible that has led the way into greater insanity it seems to me. I can see the objectives in the Middle East and later on and the philosophy and religious mindset behind it is a christian one. There are basic rights and wrongs and attacking other people because of their oil, strange culture, opposing religion and so on, is, frankly wrong, wrong and wrong. If ever it is right then be open and honest about the motives and objectives.
I don't know if there is a spirit of the American people really. Maybe it's just a popular fiction. An emotion I felt when I realized the truth just a couple of months ago was not fear as might be expected but a terrible sense of disappointment that these great people, this great country, America, could ever reduce itself to such a state of insanity. I confess that I weep to think of this, what it all means, what it says about that spirit. I really wish to be proven wrong on this. I wish people would open their eyes, think, really think what it all means and do some small thing to start to put it right. I want to be optimistic, I want to believe in that American spirit of a freedom loving and adventurous and outgoing nature. Because what is surely happening is the opposite of all that. I hope that people will cause a peaceful revolution to take place that disempowers this evil mindset that has taken over control. I do not believe the Americans would really condone what is happening, especially in the Middle East, if they knew what is really behind it all.
Moreover, if the internet stops working one day it will probably be because the people have suddenly 'clicked', reacted or over-reacted and a clampdown takes place to stop it, and so it may well be that the secret government decides to 'pull the plug' on the internet and stop it from working except for military use only. I am not saying that this will happen nor even that it can happen, but just that I believe it can happen and that it will probably happen if the public reacts extremely and unintelligently when it wakes up to what is really going on.
Thus the military simply sends a command code out, broadcast over the internet, which causes it to discard all, ALL, data flow that is not military marked. That means all web sites and all forums and all newsgroups and all email will stop. None of it will work any more. For the military to be able to do 9/11 and NOT also be able to unplug the internet doesn't tally when you understand enough about how the internet works to know that all it takes is for "firmware" to be finally "tested" or "added to" by some official "agency" for the routers to suddenly stop working for everything except a military communication. I tell you that now because if it does happen and I emphasize I am not saying that it will or even can happen, but that if the internet does suddenly stop working that this will be the reason why in all liklihood. If the military pulled off 9/11 which is what the evidence clearly points to then it will not have overlooked the need to be able to unplug or turn off the internet. The question of how it could possibly do that is easily answered: tampered firmware in the routers. Would they do it? They did 9/11 and they are doing the "wars" ongoing in the Middle East. They did the missile strike on the Pentagon. They are the new government. Would they dare unplug the internet? The option is there in my opinion for them to do so if they choose so.
So, by all means give the benefit of the doubt to the military, errm, I mean the government and poke fun at the missile people and demand we prove our unbelieveable claim. If I, a missile believer, am wrong then that's all well and good, but if I and the few people like me are right and you continue to assume that we are wrong then just think about the stakes and the risk.
And don't think that it will stop in the Middle East either. This will almost certainly backfire and end up ripping through all of our lives. It took me more than five years to realize this because I hadn't bothered with it before and just took the word of the governments (USA and UK) and the "Media" too. So unbelieveably dangerous.
What is now in progress is the relentless march of a warped military mindset in charge of the most powerful military machine ever in history.
To argue that is was a plane when the evidence for a plane is extremely questionable and to argue that it was not a missile because only stupid and conspiracy minded people make such an outrageous claim is really not very intelligent and not at all sensible.
The intelligent and sensible thing is to first of all ask yourself just how important is any of this if it was a missile because then you can see how much effort the people behind it will go to to delay or prevent people's eyes from seeing the truth of what happened.
None of you are stupid - anyone who can find their way around this bewildering web site and set of forums at Ex christian.net has proven that they have a degree of intelligence that, I suspect, beats mine.
My intention with my web site, SaneThinking.com is that I will carry on writing articles that I hope are thought provoking and to some extent inspiring but my visits to forums won't be taking up much of my time, not because I don't want to visit and read and post but because there are only 24 hours in a day and, it seems to me, that these forums need about ten times that many just to keep up with a few. And, just to put this in perspective, I have spent just about a whole day writing this single article. That doesn't leave a lot of time for wading through forums even when I'd like too more. And, as I implied at the beginning of this article, I would actually like to be able to form some joint new project with ex christians with a right minded approach to disempowering christianity and making it easier for people to break away from it's grip and stranglehold so I am ever attentive to what others have to say about this and other positive suggestions that we might be able to work together on.
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